Regards
Conrad Harrison
B.Tech (mfg & mech), MIIE, gradTIEAust
mailto:sch.tectonic@bigpond.com
| Yes, it is a sort of a stile except that this one is high. It needs to go over a 20' high concrete wall. Rajendran --- On Mon, 11/29/10, Tom.Hunt@fluor.com <Tom.Hunt@fluor.com> wrote: From: Tom.Hunt@fluor.com <Tom.Hunt@fluor.com> Subject: Re: Seismic design of staircase in California To: seaint@seaint.org Date: Monday, November 29, 2010, 11:16 PM Rajendran, You will need to describe your structure a little better. So far it sounds like a stile if you are going up, over, and down an obstruction. Thomas Hunt, S.E. Fluor From: Padmanabhan Rajendran <prajendran@ymail.com> To: seaint@seaint.org Date: 11/29/2010 01:41 PM Subject: Re: Seismic design of staircase in California
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| Yes, it is a sort of a stile except that this one is high. It needs to go over a 20' high concrete wall. Rajendran --- On Mon, 11/29/10, Tom.Hunt@fluor.com <Tom.Hunt@fluor.com> wrote:
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> Joe,
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| Tom, It is a staircase to cross over an obstruction. What will be the applicable component if Table 13.5-1 were to be used? Rajendran --- On Mon, 11/29/10, Tom.Hunt@fluor.com <Tom.Hunt@fluor.com> wrote: From: Tom.Hunt@fluor.com <Tom.Hunt@fluor.com> Subject: Re: Seismic design of staircase in California To: seaint@seaint.org Date: Monday, November 29, 2010, 7:18 PM Rajendran, Are you asking about the overall staircase as a structure or are you asking about a staircase within a structure? If you are talking about a steel braced frame or moment frame structure with a staircase inside then the overall structure would be likely a non-building structure similar to a building in which case you can use either Table 15.4-1 or Table 12.2-1. If you just designing the staircase (i.e. stair stringers and attachments) then you would use Table 13.5-1. Thomas Hunt, S.E. Fluor From: Padmanabhan Rajendran <prajendran@ymail.com> To: seaint@seaint.org Date: 11/29/2010 11:00 AM Subject: Re: Seismic design of staircase in California
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| Tom, It is a staircase to cross over an obstruction. What will be the applicable component if Table 13.5-1 were to be used? Rajendran --- On Mon, 11/29/10, Tom.Hunt@fluor.com <Tom.Hunt@fluor.com> wrote:
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| Tom, It is a stand alone structure. If I used Chapter 13 procedure, will it pass through the Permit Agency's scrutiny? Thanks. Rajendran --- On Mon, 11/29/10, Tom.Hunt@fluor.com <Tom.Hunt@fluor.com> wrote: From: Tom.Hunt@fluor.com <Tom.Hunt@fluor.com> Subject: Re: Seismic design of staircase in California To: seaint@seaint.org Date: Monday, November 29, 2010, 4:20 PM Rajendran, Unless your staircase is part of the overall lateral force resisting system of the building it would probably be more appropriate to consider it a non-structural components and use ASCE 7 Chapter 13 for your seismic design forces (i.e. Fp forces). Thomas Hunt, S.E. Fluor From: Padmanabhan Rajendran <prajendran@ymail.com> To: seaint@seaint.org Date: 11/29/2010 08:13 AM Subject: Seismic design of staircase in California
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| Tom, It is a stand alone structure. If I used Chapter 13 procedure, will it pass through the Permit Agency's scrutiny? Thanks. Rajendran --- On Mon, 11/29/10, Tom.Hunt@fluor.com <Tom.Hunt@fluor.com> wrote:
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| I am designing a steel staircase located in South Long Beach, California. It is about 22' tall laid at about 40 deg to horizontal. To estimate seismic loads on the structure, I am considering it as a non-building structure subject to the sections of Chapter 15 of ASCE 7 (2005 edtition). There are 2 tables in this chapter to determine "R" and "Omega 0": Table 15.4-1 for nonbuilding structures similar to buildings and Table 15.4-2 for nonbuilding structures not similar to buildings. I think the staircase would be classified under Table 15.4-2 as "All other self-suppoting structures, tanks or vessels not covered above or by reference standards that are similar to buildings". Under this classification R = 1.25 and Omega0=2. Is my assumption correct? If not, what will be the accepted method? Thanks. Rajendran |
| I am designing a steel staircase located in South Long Beach, California. It is about 22' tall laid at about 40 deg to horizontal. To estimate seismic loads on the structure, I am considering it as a non-building structure subject to the sections of Chapter 15 of ASCE 7 (2005 edtition). There are 2 tables in this chapter to determine "R" and "Omega 0": Table 15.4-1 for nonbuilding structures similar to buildings and Table 15.4-2 for nonbuilding structures not similar to buildings. I think the staircase would be classified under Table 15.4-2 as "All other self-suppoting structures, tanks or vessels not covered above or by reference standards that are similar to buildings". Under this classification R = 1.25 and Omega0=2. Is my assumption correct? If not, what will be the accepted method? Thanks. Rajendran |
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| To Bill and Vish, I'm sorry to hear you folks are having this financial downer in your business. I wish you both well in whatever you do and I hope this economy turns around soon for all of us. Regards, Ray Shreenan SE --- On Thu, 11/25/10, G Vishwanath <gvshwnth@yahoo.com> wrote:
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To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: Bay Area Testing Lab Recommendation
List members:
I am starting a new project in San Francisco and need the services of a "progressive" testing lab in the Bay Area...
We all know that testing agencies (like engineers) run the spectrum from
ultra-conservative to "everything's OK" all the time.
I would prefer an "out of the box" approach.
The initial scope: testing of existing pile foundations.
Anyone you can suggest?
Regards,
David L. Fisher SE PE
Fisher and Partners
Matt Steiner, P.E., S.E.
Thornton Tomasetti
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| Bill, If it is any consolation, a lot of us are going through a bad time. Even overseas. I too am in the same boat now. At 62 I don't have the options you have. You are much younger than I. For 26 years I was content with the stability and security and prestige that a Govt Job provided. I gave it up when I had 6 more years of service left in order to give a boost to my bank balance which didn't look too good at the age of 52. We retired at 58, per rules in force at that time. I entered the big bad world of Knowledge process outsourcing, and set up a detailing business to cater to the overseas market. Detailing for USA paid us more than structural design for Indian clients. The boom lasted about 5 years during which time I did fairly well for myself. Then the economic tragedy in USA struck and its effects are being felt here in India too. The US market is not recovering and the local jobs for Indian clients we are now doing just don't pay enough to keep us going. We got back into the local market believing the US recession is temporary but how long is temporary? 2 years? 3 years? Someone has now scared me by saying things are going to be bad for a few more years and that the detailing prices will never climb back to pre 2007 levels. In the past I never lost a job that we bid because of our price. But now even our prices are not competitive. I can hardly believe anyone in USA is quoting less than what we quoted. But I now learn that there are quite a few desperate people out there willing do grab a job at any price. The last three years have been the worst. I am surviving on crumbs now Clients have defaulted on payment even when there were no contentious issues. Projects have been abandoned half way and no compensation was paid for the time spent already. The position is critical now and the next few months will decide what I have to do with myself and my career. Hanging up my boots for good is one option, but I won't be happy with that decision. My health is reasonably good and there is still some "juice" left in me. I would rather be gainfully occupied with something or the other for a few more years at least. I wish you all the best . Do continue your postings to the list. I always enjoyed it when things got dull and you stirred the pot with some provocative posts. I was in California recently and had the pleasure of talking to some list friends. My daughter and son-in-law live there and I was visiting them. I may be visiting again next year. Hopefully we could talk on the phone and cheer each other up. Regards Vish (from India) |
I wish you the best.
I can understand the idea of going to grad school. I've thought of
doing that as well.
I've enjoyed reading you posts for many, many years, and hope that
you don't stop reading and posting here. I would third or fourth the
advice to not give up the license just yet: if for no other reason than
to give you options. It would seem that it would be good to be able
to do some engineering while in school to offset the cost of graduate
school, which isn't getting cheaper.
Thank you for all of the knowledge, entertainment and provocation
to think that you've provided to this forum.
Take Care,
Lloyd Pack
Advantage Consulting Engineers
Caldwell, ID.
On 23 Nov 2010 at 15:46, Bill Polhemus wrote:
> Hello, SEAINTers. Long time since I've checked in personally.
>
> I am now going on the sixth month of my current spate of unemployment.
> The phone does not ring. Such employment openings as I do see
> advertised, are for entry-level positions, or require expertise that I
> do not have (such as offshore platform design).
>
> I have also been struggling, not entirely coincidentally, with one of
> the worst bouts of depression with which I've ever had the misfortune
> to deal. No one's fault, really; it is what it is. But it has forced
> me into self-examination at an uncomfortable level.
>
> I haven't been happy or fulfilled as an engineer in years. I think the
> profession and I simply grew apart. If you are not a world-class
> expert - as I am not - in any particular subfield, you must perforce
> be content with "management" or some-such. And I am not that either.
>
> I have made up my mind to drop out altogether. In fact, I am changing
> course radically - something I probably should have done years ago but
> was too caught up in the practicalities of earning a living to realize
> it.
>
> I have decided to apply to graduate school with the aim of earning a
> Ph.D. in History, and remain in academia for the remainder of my life.
> It's not exactly entering the monastery, but it's almost as radical a
> departure. I have always been fascinated with all aspects of history -
> especially that of engineering and technological progress. I will
> probably focus on that, perhaps even civil and structural engineering
> history. Wouldn't that be something.
>
> At any rate, I just felt it incumbent upon me to write a brief
> swansong in this vein. Not that I expect any of you to really care,
> but it might be of interest to one or two, and so it would serve a
> purpose.
>
> Thank you all for services rendered in the fifteen-plus years that
> I've participated on this forum, and I wish all of you the very best
> of good luck in all you do.
>
> William L. Polhemus, P.E.
> Katy, Texas
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Bill,
I have enjoyed your contributions to the list over the years, and I will certainly miss seeing them. I know others that are also leaving the profession, and it saddens me to see so much talent and experience leaving prematurely. I do not think our profession will be the better for it. On a personal level, I wish you all the best on this exciting new adventure in your life.
Dmitri Wright, PE
Cascade Engineering, Inc.
245 SE 4th Ave, Suite B
Hillsboro, OR 97123-4033
dmitri@cascade-structural.com
503-846-1131Subject: A Farewell to Structural Engineering
Hello, SEAINTers. Long time since I've checked in personally.
I am now going on the sixth month of my current spate of unemployment.
The phone does not ring. Such employment openings as I do see
advertised, are for entry-level positions, or require expertise that I
do not have (such as offshore platform design).
I have also been struggling, not entirely coincidentally, with one of
the worst bouts of depression with which I've ever had the misfortune to
deal. No one's fault, really; it is what it is. But it has forced me
into self-examination at an uncomfortable level.
I haven't been happy or fulfilled as an engineer in years. I think the
profession and I simply grew apart. If you are not a world-class expert
- as I am not - in any particular subfield, you must perforce be content
with "management" or some-such. And I am not that either.
I have made up my mind to drop out altogether. In fact, I am changing
course radically - something I probably should have done years ago but
was too caught up in the practicalities of earning a living to realize it.
I have decided to apply to graduate school with the aim of earning a
Ph.D. in History, and remain in academia for the remainder of my life.
It's not exactly entering the monastery, but it's almost as radical a
departure. I have always been fascinated with all aspects of history -
especially that of engineering and technological progress. I will
probably focus on that, perhaps even civil and structural engineering
history. Wouldn't that be something.
At any rate, I just felt it incumbent upon me to write a brief swansong
in this vein. Not that I expect any of you to really care, but it might
be of interest to one or two, and so it would serve a purpose.
Thank you all for services rendered in the fifteen-plus years that I've
participated on this forum, and I wish all of you the very best of good
luck in all you do.
William L. Polhemus, P.E.
Katy, Texas
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Will there be 10 separate permits issued? If so, charge your fee for the design and cad time needed to develop the one design, then charge a "re-use" fee of $500, $1,000(?) for each subsequent use of the design. Charge enough to cover your expenses for the plan review process. Consider a separate fee relating to C.A. since there may be unforeseen field conditions at some of light pole locations.
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:34 PM, <rccatubig@gmail.com> wrote:Fellow Engineers,
Say you have to provide calculations for 10 identical light poles that will be installed in the same general location. Do you charge for one light pole or do you charge based on the number of poles?
Rainier C. Catubig, SE
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I have enjoyed your contributions to the list over the years, and I will
certainly miss seeing them. I know others that are also leaving the
profession, and it saddens me to see so much talent and experience leaving
prematurely. I do not think our profession will be the better for it. On a
personal level, I wish you all the best on this exciting new adventure in
your life.
Dmitri Wright, PE
Cascade Engineering, Inc.
245 SE 4th Ave, Suite B
Hillsboro, OR 97123-4033
dmitri@cascade-structural.com
503-846-1131
From: Bill Polhemus <bill@polhemus.cc>
To: seaint@seaint.org
Subject: A Farewell to Structural Engineering
Hello, SEAINTers. Long time since I've checked in personally.
I am now going on the sixth month of my current spate of unemployment.
The phone does not ring. Such employment openings as I do see
advertised, are for entry-level positions, or require expertise that I
do not have (such as offshore platform design).
I have also been struggling, not entirely coincidentally, with one of
the worst bouts of depression with which I've ever had the misfortune to
deal. No one's fault, really; it is what it is. But it has forced me
into self-examination at an uncomfortable level.
I haven't been happy or fulfilled as an engineer in years. I think the
profession and I simply grew apart. If you are not a world-class expert
- as I am not - in any particular subfield, you must perforce be content
with "management" or some-such. And I am not that either.
I have made up my mind to drop out altogether. In fact, I am changing
course radically - something I probably should have done years ago but
was too caught up in the practicalities of earning a living to realize it.
I have decided to apply to graduate school with the aim of earning a
Ph.D. in History, and remain in academia for the remainder of my life.
It's not exactly entering the monastery, but it's almost as radical a
departure. I have always been fascinated with all aspects of history -
especially that of engineering and technological progress. I will
probably focus on that, perhaps even civil and structural engineering
history. Wouldn't that be something.
At any rate, I just felt it incumbent upon me to write a brief swansong
in this vein. Not that I expect any of you to really care, but it might
be of interest to one or two, and so it would serve a purpose.
Thank you all for services rendered in the fifteen-plus years that I've
participated on this forum, and I wish all of you the very best of good
luck in all you do.
William L. Polhemus, P.E.
Katy, Texas
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Second, sounds to me like you are about 40-ish, though I always had
you pegged for about 55 for some reason. Maybe because your political
views reminded me of my dad. I mean no offense in any of this, just an
impression, like when you talk to someone on the phone several times
and then finally meet them and are surprised they don't meet your made
up picture. So how old are you since you are revealing so much?
I don't think you are alone whatsoever in considering other
professions (or second guessing your original choice). I sure have,
and so have my friends who are attorneys, accountants, etc. A dismal
economy and a bout of unemployment will undoubtedly push you to those
thoughts. But if you have a dream to follow and only one life to live,
I say go for it. Don't we all sometimes feel like just one lifetime is
not enough, there are so many other professions, places to live,
people to meet, and never enough time...
Right now I am in the middle of a biography about a young farmer boy
in Malawi, one of the poorest countries in the world (in Africa), and
his family just survived a famine- so it sure makes me feel lucky to
have been born in the US and have a job right now! Their corrupt
government sold their stockpiles of emergency food and couldn't their
people from starving, and we complain about dipping home prices
foreclosures! Gives you some humility for sure. But I am not making
light of your situation...
If I were in your shoes, like others said, I would maintain your
license. Maybe dabble in structural engineering when the phone rings
or the opportunity otherwise presents itself. Maybe a little side
money to help out a poor history graduate student would be nice... :)
Maybe there is a book about engineering history out there for you to
write, or a history channel special for you to consult with, sky is
the limit.
Have you ever considered something within the general field that is
not structural engineering design? What about the construction side of
things, project management? I think an experienced and knowledgeable
SE would make a great PM. I understand now the timing with the economy
is not good, but its something I have considered.
A couple of years ago my cousin, a mechanical engineer for a
subcontractor to Ford, left the auto business to become a financial
planner. He now works out of a small office near his home and really
enjoys it. The ups and downs of the car business, which are about as
shaky as construction these days, was too much for him. And I think he
wanted a change. Though I personally could not believe he went into
finance at the time he did, but...
Best of luck, stay on the list, you still have lots of engineering
advice I am sure you can offer. And share any interesting engineering
history stuff with us.
Regards,
Andrew Kester, PE
Structural Engineer
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On 11/23/2010 4:46 PM, Bill Polhemus wrote:
> Hello, SEAINTers. Long time since I've checked in personally.
>
> I am now going on the sixth month of my current spate of unemployment.
> The phone does not ring. Such employment openings as I do see
> advertised, are for entry-level positions, or require expertise that I
> do not have (such as offshore platform design).
>
> I have also been struggling, not entirely coincidentally, with one of
> the worst bouts of depression with which I've ever had the misfortune
> to deal. No one's fault, really; it is what it is. But it has forced
> me into self-examination at an uncomfortable level.
>
> I haven't been happy or fulfilled as an engineer in years. I think the
> profession and I simply grew apart. If you are not a world-class
> expert - as I am not - in any particular subfield, you must perforce
> be content with "management" or some-such. And I am not that either.
>
> I have made up my mind to drop out altogether. In fact, I am changing
> course radically - something I probably should have done years ago but
> was too caught up in the practicalities of earning a living to realize
> it.
>
> I have decided to apply to graduate school with the aim of earning a
> Ph.D. in History, and remain in academia for the remainder of my life.
> It's not exactly entering the monastery, but it's almost as radical a
> departure. I have always been fascinated with all aspects of history -
> especially that of engineering and technological progress. I will
> probably focus on that, perhaps even civil and structural engineering
> history. Wouldn't that be something.
>
> At any rate, I just felt it incumbent upon me to write a brief
> swansong in this vein. Not that I expect any of you to really care,
> but it might be of interest to one or two, and so it would serve a
> purpose.
>
> Thank you all for services rendered in the fifteen-plus years that
> I've participated on this forum, and I wish all of you the very best
> of good luck in all you do.
>
> William L. Polhemus, P.E.
> Katy, Texas
>
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